Combined printer cutter < 2m in physical width

[ArferMo]

OK got a gap in the shed 2m wide where I want to put a combined printer cutter my preferred choice would be a BN20 but not got the volume of work to justify the cost.... even for a used one. Speed of output is not an issue. Needs to be either Eco solvent or UV ink. I'd love something that could print on the board used by estate agents, the likes of Correx but I believe that the BN20 has a max of 1mm.

Dont mind an old machine.... really old but I just don't know what models to look out for that can both print AND cut. Don't really want this thread to get in to the pro's and con's too much just a list of machines that have a physical width of no more than 2m that will print and cut would even consider an aqueous machine that I could convert as long as it has a DX4,DX5 or DX7 printhead.

If space was not such an issue then a different setup would be a no brainer:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt7swhHRDkM

[mags1892]

Corex etc would have to be UV flatbed , look at Mimaki or Roland . IM a not a fan of print and cut as you have to reload the media to cut and Id rather have a offline cutter so I can print AND cut .

You cannot convert a waterbased machine to solvent many try all fail, you need heaters before and after the print head. Epsons can take upto 1.5mm board and the older ones handle it better as its helped by gravity. Flat bed UV is expensive and the quality is not as good.

[ArferMo]

Thanks for the info.

[socialgiraffe]

IM a not a fan of print and cut as you have to reload the media to cut

Not sure where you got that from but it is 100% incorrect. A Roland will print and cut in one. I print thousands of stickers on MDP. The roll is loaded and the stickers come out the other side, not only cut to the customers bespoke shape but I can also cut into individual stickers so no need to trim them afterwards.

Not sure where you got your info from but they are wrong.

AFERMO, you can get a BN20 or a VS300 both are under 2 meters. The next one up may even be under 2. If you want to print direct onto Corex it will (as previously stated) need to be a flat bed. But you can print on vinyl and then mount on anything. I have doe this a few times for various projects.

[mags1892]

If you print and cut without letting it GAS off then thats risky you need to let the material trial dry and ideally GAS OFF before you cut it. If yoiu print and cut its substantially slower than a seperate print and cut machine. SO really im not wrong.

[phoenixalpha]

I think that only works for Mimaki - if I remember correctly Roland's new models print and cut in one sweep with no GAS issues.

[socialgiraffe]

If you print and cut without letting it GAS off then thats risky you need to let the material trial dry and ideally GAS OFF before you cut it. If yoiu print and cut its substantially slower than a seperate print and cut machine. SO really im not wrong.

Sorry but you are still wrong

Firstly, you originally said that you have to reload the media, you do not. take advice from a very experienced Roland user. You have now changed it to gassing off, some of the early Solvent inks did require gassing off, but this is an out of date view, it is certainly not for Roland EcoSol inks on adhesive media. In actual fact, I can not think of one material I use that does require gassing off. There is no risk involved and to say so is simply scaremongering.

Lastly, as someone who has done extensive research into printing and cutting, there is no way two separate machines are faster than one Roland. I produce thousands (probably hundreds of thousands) of stickers, if I need kit I am fortunate enough to just go out and buy it. I have done the tests, have had the machines and know from experience that one Roland is faster than two separate machines. Its also easier, more convenient and more productive.

[ArferMo]

Maggs I don't think that the Eco ink needs that gassing time like the older solvent ink did..... just guessing.

Simon, thanks for that tip on the Corex I only need to print the off three or four now and then for traders signs so vinyl would be fine just extra cost each time.

[mags1892]

I think we will agree to disagree try the test of a roland printing against a HP-Latex then using a graphtec 8000 or similar, then as the graphtec is cutting the hp is printing again. Every time i have tested the roland including the new 640the ink is not touch dry immediatly especially on glossy materials and cheaper materials, if you print on expensive material then maybe like metamark etc. Im a believer in seperate machines for a number of reasons a second printer for example using the same cutter. Im not a roland hater I think theyre great machines but I still KNOW eco solvent ink has to gas off . And what happens when you need to laminate ?

My opinions are valid im not wrong im not stupid its just my OPINION... PS I dont sell roland or mimaki or hp latex.....

[mags1892]

Maggs I don't think that the Eco ink needs that gassing time like the older solvent ink did..... just guessing.

Simon, thanks for that tip on the Corex I only need to print the off three or four now and then for traders signs so vinyl would be fine just extra cost each time.

Try and print eco solvent then laminate without gassing off, delamination in no time. ONly the latex gets away with that and that also needs a little time to gas off, EVEN a waterbased epson canon and hp needs a little time to gas off and completely dry..