dazed and confused! First purchase of a system

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"Been dazed and confused for so long its not true" - will probably only mean anything much to those of us of a certain age who look back on the days when we had long hair and backs that didn't ache! All viewed through the rose tinted mist of nostalgia :o)

I am looking to buy a mug press and printer - so far so good!

I saw the Novachrome kit being demo'd at a photographic trade show. I liked the look of the results on mugs, coasters, bags and all manner of other stuff. However, it is particularly mugs that I am interested in at the moment. I liked the look of the company. They seemed open with advice and their purported back up looked good. Everything was simple back then. I just needed to decide which starter package I wanted A4 or A3 flat bed or no flat bed. its all been on hold, sitting in the back of my mind waiting for a reason to take it further - the reason has just appeared on the horizon! We want to have 100 mugs printed at work, the ladies in the office who are driving this forward would like a couple of designs on bone china mugs - ideally straight and not fluted at the top although that last detail seems to change every other day. I have tried to persuade them to go with bog standard ceramic mugs which will be much more robust and cheaper. The mugs get used by students in our tea room and go in the dishwasher every day. The prices they were being quoted - don't know who was quoting ranged from £5 to £9 each for quantities of 50 - 100 of the same design which seemed a bit steep when I thought back to the figures being touted by Novachrome.

However, after looking through this and other forums I really don't know which way to jump! I still like Novachrome although I don't see their name mentioned here in response to newbie enquiries and general equipment/supplies queries. I get the impression they may be a bit dearer for the same quality of kit as supplied by other companies??

I really do not want to buy cheap equipment - as is often repeated here, buy it cheap buy it twice. I have access to a niche market - not huge numbers but what I think could be a steady stream of orders for bespoke small batch and single mugs which the clients would happily pay for and better still it would all be by word of mouth advertising. I have donkeys years of photographic experience and am quite at home with Photoshop and the concepts of calibrating screens for colour control. So that side of the business is sorted, but as to what to buy :confused:

So far as I can see the Ricoh printers are the ones to go for - A4 = SG3110DN or A3 = SG7100DN. The cost to run figure quoted by Novachrome were 64p for a 10x8 on the A4 and 28p for a 10x8 on the A3 (I assume you are still printing on A4 paper and the saving is down to the quantity of ink supplied with the printer). So the A3 would be the better option, higher initial cost but long term its a better bet and if in the future I want to print on larger flat items. Unless of course I am missing something obvious or putting too much trust in a salesmans figures!

When it comes to the mug press - this is where my head starts to spin. I know I don't want a £50 press from China on ebay, but there seems to be a whole range of presses available from say £125 to nearly £300 and I just can't see what the differences are. My criteria for a press would be that I when I start printing mugs I need a system that makes loading the mugs fairly quick and simple and mugs can be pressed in quick succession and consistently - seems that the combination of time/temp/pressure need to be carefully controlled for consistent quality, so having a press with a wandering temperature or where the pressure changes as the press gets hot is important to avoid. So what is the difference between the offerings of the various suppliers mentioned in the forums???

Someone throw me a lifeline and save my sanity :o)

In an ideal world I'd like to see all of the usual suspects wares at a trade show but I don't suppose there is anything coming up where they will all be there??


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Arthur



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BMS do everything you need........good kit and nice helpful people to deal with. I got my kit from them and can highly recommend them. They are also regular contributors on here.

http://www.printerowners.co.uk/
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forgot to add to the press requirements - will, in the future, need to be able to press a wide range of mugs, standard straight ceramic mugs, small and large latte mugs
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I run 2 BMS mug presses everyday, 18 months on and still going, and I jam anything I can get in them in there. It's not unusual for me to run them for 200 secs at 200 degrees on thick pots.
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In an ideal world I'd like to see all of the usual suspects wares at a trade show but I don't suppose there is anything coming up where they will all be there??
There is P&P at the end of Feb which would have most suppliers. Not sure if you can wait that long or not.

There is so much to your post that it would take forever to respond to it all, but there are a few things to note, BMS, Listawood and TMT all sell good machines, personally I really like the Genie from listawood which is a corker for the money. But then, you may want to consider TMT who have a showroom where you can visit and they will show you how to print your files and give you a bit of training, their machines are Adkins which are considered one of the best (but are priced accordingly).

If you want to Arthur, you can pop up and see me, I am about 45 minutes away if that. I have several mug presses here (BMS and Listawood for certain) and will be more than willing to go through this and other questions with you.

PM me if you want.
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Hi

I wish I could wait until February - what is P&P?? Is this an NEC or EXCEL show??

I need to get this sorted fairly soon.

Thanks for the offer SG I will PM you once I have found out how to do it!

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Dammit! I've reached a 'certain age'

BMS 8-in-1 DF18 for me. Bought 3 or 4 years ago, very useful & so far reliable bit of kit.
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what is P&P?? Is this an NEC or EXCEL show
Printwear and Promotion, normally at the NEC
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well after much deliberation and changing of my mind I have finally settled on an A4 system and once I have sorted out my premium membership here will be ordering the Listawood starter pack of Ricoh 3110, Genie 4 blanket press, Trupix paper, heat tape and a box of mugs.

With any luck it will be here tomorrow, which will then launch a whole raft of new questions!

Thanks to everyone who has replied to my initial enquiry


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Arthur
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