Coralgragh mug press

[Ian M]

Andrew & Jonathan, many thanks for enlightening me & I was just thinking of A4 desktop Epsons at the time of writing. I was thinking that the Ricoh's have a gauge on them to say how much ink is in there & was wondering if you could use this as a rough guide when you changed the cartridges & flushed the new ink through. I was thinking if you made a note of what the gauge said for each colour & then you put the new cartridges in & flushed through once the gauge was where it was before might be a good time to press something to try it out. I'll probably be wrong as I'm talking about something I have never used.....lol......I'll go get my coat now

[bms]

Andrew is right. The only ink you're "wasting" is the ink that's already in the lines - in other words, the ink you don't want.

The ink you do want has to fill the lines before it reaches the printhead, and this is the same whether the lines are full of old ink or full of air (i.e. "as new").

The same situation applies to Brother printers, and the Epson Workforce printers - or, indeed, any printer that has the inks remote-mounted. When I swap out inks on my Brother printers, I flush through with cartridges containing cleaning fluid first (so I can be sure the inks have flushed out okay) but, the last time I switched from pigment to dye, I didn't bother with the flushing.

Think of it like swapping out inks in a CISS. You flush out the bottles and the lines to get rid of the old ink, and then fill the bottles and the lines with the new ink. What have you wasted? Not the new ink - only the stuff you wanted to get rid of anyway.

There's a lot of FUD around about how much "expensive ink" you're going to "waste" when you swap out the cartridges, but the only ink you're wasting is ink you didn't want in there in the first place.

Have to look up "FUD"

There is a lot of wasted ink in terms of flushing when your mixing ink with ink. With cleaning solution you know when you've flushed as the "ink" turns clear. With the Ricoh's it's 5 or so flushes and all the time the ink is mixing with the other ink in the system so there is going to be flushing of old ink, flushing of mixed ink and eventually some flushing of sublimation ink. All this flushing of ink has to go somewhere so not only is ink wasted, but the waste ink tank fills and then that's another expense coming sooner rather than later.

So by the time you factor in flushing some of the sublimation ink down the proverbial drain, factor in a replacement ink tank sooner than expected and the £30 cashback you can get from Ricoh for buying this printer as a standard inkjet printer then the costs of just buying a new printer aren't huge (and you've saved a significant amount of time, effort, testing, possibly wasting blanks and for a newbie, all this can be a bit bewildering).

[Tans]

Interesting reading this thread. I was sceptical about the price of some of the BMS stuff when I started out, however over the course of time I have slowly been converted. First class customer service, and even on this thread helping out when IMO it's another supplier's responsibility to. (Obviously, BMS received an order out of it so good business sense, however there was no guarantee of that when the first bit of help came along). Just genuinely impressed I suppose.

Shows don't try and save a fiver/other on an item this size and just go with someone more reputable like BMS first time around. Would not make this mistake with them as the "bad" inks wouldn't be in there, or alternatively they include MULTIPLE references regarding the "bad" inks so you can't make the mistake (in theory!). Hopefully any newbies refer to this thread before taking the plunge in future....

[Justin]

The true test of a good Supplier? They'll all take your order but how many will get you out of these sticky situations when things go wrong. I appreciate the supplier wasn't really to blame here but I do feel the Ricoh inks should have been removed from the box as it was bought as a package deal and instructions should have been clearer.

[Paul]

Imo oryginal ink should be supplied as this is part of th printer that was sold by ricoh. What should.be done by suppliers is to.stick some tape on ink doors with msg. About right inks instalment. So you cant avoid the reading before removing tape.

[frazzle]

Interesting reading this thread. I was sceptical about the price of some of the BMS stuff when I started out, however over the course of time I have slowly been converted. First class customer service, and even on this thread helping out when IMO it's another supplier's responsibility to. (Obviously, BMS received an order out of it so good business sense, however there was no guarantee of that when the first bit of help came along). Just genuinely impressed I suppose.

Shows don't try and save a fiver/other on an item this size and just go with someone more reputable like BMS first time around. Would not make this mistake with them as the "bad" inks wouldn't be in there, or alternatively they include MULTIPLE references regarding the "bad" inks so you can't make the mistake (in theory!). Hopefully any newbies refer to this thread before taking the plunge in future....

In all fairness to the supplier i used he gave me a reasonable discount and a box of mugs and other items to try printing on, all given without me asking, so its not so bad buying another printer i am still in money wise, plus the mrs gets a new printer.

[JSR]

Andrew & Jonathan, many thanks for enlightening me & I was just thinking of A4 desktop Epsons at the time of writing. I was thinking that the Ricoh's have a gauge on them to say how much ink is in there & was wondering if you could use this as a rough guide when you changed the cartridges & flushed the new ink through. I was thinking if you made a note of what the gauge said for each colour & then you put the new cartridges in & flushed through once the gauge was where it was before might be a good time to press something to try it out. I'll probably be wrong as I'm talking about something I have never used.....lol......I'll go get my coat now

I don't know whether Ricoh have gauges or anything. Personally, if changing from dye to dye-sub, I bung in cartridges of cleaning fluid so I know when the old ink is out and when the new ink is flowing. The cleaning fluid cost me £4.99 for 100ml and I've used it several times (still have plenty left) to do this so the cost has probably been about 50p of cleaning fluid each time.

It may sound a bit primitive but my printers don't get crippled by those chips that are on other printers.

[JSR]

All this flushing of ink has to go somewhere so not only is ink wasted, but the waste ink tank fills and then that's another expense coming sooner rather than later.

Depends how you choose to "flush". I don't use the cleaning cycle to do it. I just set up a print job to print pages of CMYK colour blocks. I put in old sheets of paper that have already been used, and print both sides. Nothing ends up in the waste bin, no paper is wasted, nothing.

Doing it this way, I can see exactly when the ink changes to cleaning fluid and exactly when the cleaning fluid changes to ink. Almost none of the new ink is wasted. No wasted expensive ink, no wasted cleaning cycles, no filled up waste pad.

I know it sounds too simple, but sometimes I wonder why we need to make things so complicated.

[frazzle]

Now i have the right ink in the new printer what do i set the paper too it is Ricoh 3110dn printer

[bms]

Now i have the right ink in the new printer what do i set the paper too it is Ricoh 3110dn printer

Paper would be TruPix in the PowerDriver software - which you need to download and install from http://www.sawgrasseurope.com/technical ... c-profiles