bigj2552;52525 wrote:not the look as was hoping for here tbh...more colour depth with the ordinary inks that came with the printer
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just printed out same design onto light transfer paper....cheaper stuff another company ( aint using the good yoyo stuff )
still printing out faded with the pigment inks....
pauls fireing me out the stuff to get it profiled
why is it so far out colour wise ?
Because pigment inks aren't dye inks. Pigment inks consist of small solid particles of colour, dye is partially transparent dye. Dye soaks into the paper, pigment ink sits on top of the paper. Dye is water soluble, pigment is waterproof. Dye ink typically has a larger colour gamut than pigment ink.
They are so different you may as well be comparing wool dye with laser toner. That we get anything even remotely close with a profile designed for dye inks is remarkable in itself.
If you were putting these pigment inks into a printer that uses OEM pigment inks then you'd probably get a comparable result with putting third-party dye inks into an OEM dye-ink printer.
I've just done some print tests with my "test doggie photo" on my MFC-5890CN with third-party dye inks (using a custom profile by Paul) and my DCP-195C with third-party pigment inks (using my own custom profile) using bog-standard Kodak glossy photo paper and Epson Photo Paper.
The two prints are virtually identical. The only difference is that the dye-ink on the Kodak paper smudged when removing it from the printer (it needs to dry on this paper, but not on the Epson paper), the pigment ink didn't.
One thing to remember is your settings you used when making your custom profile. I printed first with the printer set to "Other Photo Paper", and then to "Inkjet Paper" (which is what I used when making the profiles). The difference is huge in both cases.
On the DCP-195C, the "Other Photo Paper" gives a green cast. It's kind of acceptable, but not if you're discerning. Using the "Inkjet Paper" setting (used to create the profile), the print is virtually perfect.
On the MFC-5890CN, the "Other Photo Paper" setting leans towards the reds. Again, it's acceptable, but not really. Using the "Inkjet Paper" setting (used to create the profile), the print is as near to perfect as makes no odds.
Using the correct settings with the custom profiles - despite using different printers, and despite the profiles being made on different profiling devices, and despite using different inksets - both prints are almost identical. If anything the pigment print is slightly more colourful/saturated, but it's barely noticeable. The difference between papers (Kodak vs Epson) isn't huge considering that I made the profiles using Epson Photo Quality Inkjet Paper, not glossy paper, (the Epson Photo Paper produces ever so slightly more pleasing results, but the Kodak paper produces darker blacks) so this isn't as big a factor in getting the colours as ensuring your print settings are as they were when making the profile.
Based on these tests, I think you'll be fine as soon as you get your profile made up.
