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Paul;38877 wrote:have a ciss refilled with 3rd party ink and get locked up??
No. Patent infringement comes under civil law - not criminal law. You won't get locked up for it. Not ever. Someone who infringes a patent can be sued in court under civil law to prevent them from further infringements. The patent holder may also sue for compensation/damages after the infringement has been upheld.

Many patent infringement cases don't get to court because, from what I've read, many such patents are thrown out when challenged. The patent holder doesn't want this to happen. They'd rather sue out of court and get you to pay money to them on the steps of the court house. That way the patent isn't ever challenged.

(As usual, I'm no legal person. For further information/facts, contact a legal expert.)
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OK, settled before they went to court then. Getting back to the original thread question......
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smitch6;38863 wrote:surely it;s not illegal to make your own ink from scratch and sell it? that's be like HP saying no-one can make any ink that will work in our printers? strange one isn't it?
Just a few years ago I heard that Epson had taken a company to court with sucess in Germany because the make up of their ink was the same as Epsons. This was ordinary inkjet ink & not sublimation ink. It turned out that Epson had a patent on their own formula & they used the court case to try to fire a warning shot across the bows of the third party ink manufacturers. Luckily it didn't really work for Epson & they soon gave up persuing anyone else.
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Ian M;38887 wrote:Just a few years ago I heard that Epson had taken a company to court with sucess in Germany because the make up of their ink was the same as Epsons. This was ordinary inkjet ink & not sublimation ink. It turned out that Epson had a patent on their own formula & they used the court case to try to fire a warning shot across the bows of the third party ink manufacturers. Luckily it didn't really work for Epson & they soon gave up persuing anyone else.
The whole situation with "chips on cartridges" came from OEM manufacturers trying to foil third party suppliers - because that's easier than trying to take them to court (the third party manufacturer is invariably in another country). This is why printer models are like revolving doors - the next model is effectively exactly the same as the last one, it just uses different cartridges with a different chip.

The irony on all of this discussion, though, is that there would be no need for any infringement/court cases/illegal bullying, if the OEM just sold their products at a more reasonable price. If the inks were more affordable, we'd use more of it. Pound for pound, the ink manufacturer would still make the same amount of money - they'd just sell more ink. Ink manufacturers invariably produce their own papers, so the more ink we use (because it's cheaper), the more paper we'd use (and they'd make even more profits on that). We'd win, they'd win, everyone would win.

But no, it's apparently better business practice to keep prices high and bully the end user. We lose, they lose, everyone's a loser. Still, that's business I guess...
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From the reading and research I've recently being doing around the internet:
The Sawgrass patent was granted before Epson released their first Stylus/piezo head inkjet printer. At the time printers tended to be the heat using bubble-jet type, so the sublimation ink Sawgrass produced was held in a formulation that protected it from the heat in the print head as well as to stop it clogging. Epson later brought out their piezo head printers where heat wasn't a problem anymore. So at this point the need for Sawgrass's special and patented formulation was no longer nesessary. But, for some reason Sawgrass are still swinging their patent claim around when it seems it doesn't actually relate to inks formulated for Epsons at all.
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