new to di sub-Which Ricoh should I use for start-up

[John G]

I think is more like buy a 4x4 car with no wheels you need to buy them as a extra to go for off roading

No Paul, all new 4 x 4 vehicles sold in the UK come with Wheels, if you want to go off roading, and require special wheels, then that would be an optional extra

[Paul]

i can go off roading with standard ones too

[John G]

Just quoting what you said thought it was a bit strange you buying a car with no wheels.

[JSR]

No Paul, all new 4 x 4 vehicles sold in the UK come with Wheels, if you want to go off roading, and require special wheels, then that would be an optional extra

Yeah, 4x4 vehicles all come with 4 wheels... Just like all 13" carriage printers come with 13" paper support... ...well, except the Ricoh. :biggrin:

[John G]

Ah! but its not a 13" printer - its sold as an A3 printer, not an off road printer or a printer with no wheels now i'm confused

[JSR]

Ah! but its not a 13" printer - its sold as an A3 printer, not an off road printer or a printer with no wheels now i'm confused

Selling it as an A3-only printer puts it down in the same market as the A3 Brother printers that cost £130 (and they come with a scanner). I wonder how Ricoh justify £500+ (or whatever the Ricoh price is).

I looked up the multi-pass tray for the Ricoh, and it costs about the same as a brand new Epson B1100 - which prints A3+ out-of-the-box. So you can either have a brand new printer, with ink, and the ability to print A3+... or you can have a tray... Hmm... great sales tactic, Ricoh!

[John G]

Selling it as an A3-only printer puts it down in the same market as the A3 Brother printers that cost £130 (and they come with a scanner). I wonder how Ricoh justify £500+ (or whatever the Ricoh price is).

Because they can market it as a printer that sawgrass sub ink will go through - people are prepared to pay a premium if they want supported sub A4 / A3 printers.

If you browse tinternet you'll find that the supported Ricoh printers are more expensive than unsupported - The Ricoh 3300 which is supported is around £25 - £50 more expensive than and Ricoh 3350 which isn't supported - even though they are the same machine.


OK - just checked and its the other way round so it doesn't make any sence - the suppoted 3300 @ £107.09 and the unsupported 3350 @ £121.45 (all + del + vat). I'm sure when I looked the other day the unsupported was cheaper.

[Paul]

Because [COLOR="#FF0000]they [/COLOR]can market it as a printer that sawgrass sub ink will go through

who you mean by that John?? Ricoh or sawgrass?

[JSR]

Because they can market it as a printer that sawgrass sub ink will go through - people are prepared to pay a premium if they want supported sub A4 / A3 printers.

Ricoh don't sell it as a dye-sub printer, though, so that's makes no difference to them.

In the past, I've printed those glass clocks and worktop savers that are 12" diameter. I would have been very miffed if I'd bought an A3 Ricoh printer for ~£500 and found out that it will only print 11.7" and, for that extra few mms, I'd need to spend another £140 - especially given that the £140 would get me an Epson B1100 printer that would print more than the required 12", thus saving the original ~£500.

They must sell Ricoh printers complete with stickers saying "Doh!" that customer stick on their foreheads. :biggrin:

[John G]

who you mean by that John?? Ricoh or sawgrass?

Well I was meaning anybody that sells it. If it appears on the Sawgrass website, for the powerdriver or profile, then its supported.

They must sell Ricoh printers complete with stickers saying "Doh!" that customer stick on their foreheads

Ah, so thats why i've been bumping into things today - the sticker must have slipped over my eyes! :biggrin: