Riots Hope

[Justin]

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Lighten the mood a litte and take the P*ss out of thes idiots.....be sure to check out the 2nd page.

[Stitch Up]

You don't have to apologise for expressing your opinion, as you said, we're all entitled to have one. I agree, many are just criminals who hi-jacked a peaceful vigil.

You said, "Most of these people are scroaty youths that have have never done a days work in their life and probably never will do!"

I ask, "What jobs should they do, where are they advertised and what qualifications are required?"

It's all to simplistic to suggest 'they should get a job' even though that's a big answer to many of the underlying problems. But what jobs? Do you mean the jobs that are taken by illegal immigrants from Eastern Europe & other countries that unscrupulous employers take on at illegally low pay levels? Or should they submit their CVs and take their chances with the 42 others that apply for the same job?

There are big differences between those who live in utter squalor, without parental control & without the love and structure of a family, without a job and no hope of getting one to me and very likel you too. So before you can suggest a solution, you must discover the root cause of the troubles. If you don't believe there are any underlying causes then there's no remedy. Life goes on. Lets line them up and shoot them.

[Paul]

But what jobs? Do you mean the jobs that are taken by illegal immigrants from Eastern Europe & other countries that unscrupulous employers take on at illegally low pay levels? Or should they submit their CVs and take their chances with the 42 others that apply for the same job?

pick one of those thieving scumbacs and put him next to me. will se who will write better cv...

[Lee]

What jobs should they do, where are they advertised and what qualifications are required?"

Okay jobs are abit tighter than than before - but look at job sites to see the THOUSANDS available, nevermind the ones advertised in local shop windows in shopping preceints all the time for example... Just one search on Monster specifying no education level and no experience revealed 939 jobs available.... the problem is, these people dont want to work.

[Andrew]

There are jobs out there to be found (might be not for everyone) but it is starting off at the bottom which many don't want to do these days. We have just placed adverts for 3 apprentices ourselves. The problem is many now expect all of the gadgets going straightaway which can't be funded by starting on the bottom rung of the ladder. Many don't even try and just use the line "there's no jobs out there" to easily without even making an effort. They have the attitude the world owes them a living.

Thankfully, most youngsters are decent so these rioters are just a small element but one that has large effect on communities with their bad attitude toward life. Everyone has a choice on what path they choose, even those who are deemed at the bottom of the class ladder. How you get that message accross though is beyond me.

[Stitch Up]

This is the problem Andrew 'their bad attitude toward life'. How did they get this bad attitude, they weren't born with it. Many of them have probably been abandoned by their parents or come from badly dysfunctional families. They have little or no education they've never experienced any discipline, not at home (if they have one) and not in school, they're basically unemployable! I wouldn't employ them and I'd guess, neither would you. So what do you do with them? Forget them and hope they just go away, the problem is, do that and we're seeing the consequences.

Did you see the sickening scene of a youth with blood pouring from his mouth, surrounded by his 'supposed' helpers who were in fact robbing him! How can society deal with that - lock 'em up - doesn't work! Where would you lock 'em up? One of our already overcrowded prisons where staffing levels have been reduced to dangerously low numbers to save money? Put them in a home for bad kids, they probably already are.

I haven't got much clue how I'd deal with them but withdrawing youth projects and youth clubs to save money simply makes the likelihood of civil unrest worse. I'd probably introduce some sort of national conscription - 2 years of meaningful work improving our society/environment coupled with some good robust discipline.

If I had the answer, I'd be a politician.

[Lee]

If I had the answer, I'd be a politician.

ermmm.....that kinda implies our current politicians have the answer..........! Still no excuse to do what they are doing. Heavy, final force is required.

[jennywren]

thousand of children past and present, bad parents, and endless categorised of abuse, some had had no parents and the state has had to bring them up. I should image there is quite a few stories people on the forum can tell, but in the end we choices and not everybody that's had a crap life goes astray, there is housing benefit, child benefit and the hundreds of benefits that are available, which are available, even in the depression there was no mass rush to take what the shops had, individuals thefts yes. No work was available then. Millions of people starving in the third world that would love to have benefits, accommodation hospital, ect, So there is NO excuse. We all know that nothing changes and when this is all over it will cost us more money in taxes. There is no solution and I never thought I would say this but just for a year I love a dictatorship just to get on track.

[Ian M]

I can speak from experience at being the target of yobs & idiots such as these. Up until just over a year ago I had the partner & kids of one of Bradfords biggest drug dealers living next door to me. They had a dog which barked for upto 12 hours a day 7 days a week, screaming kids all day long, banging on the joining walls both day & night, loud music & even verbal abuse being shouted at me all the time. I complained to the police & to the enviromental health people at the council. Now this is the best bit because I tried to stand up to them it soon became open season on me. In the space of 2 years I had to replace 6 bedroom windows, 2 front room windows, 6 rear windows, 1 windscreen on my car plus they damaged the roof, boot, bonnet, & a front wing on my car. They also damaged & managed to write off my 45 year old classic rally car which was just one of 5 built. In total the cost came to around £50,000 for all the damage. In the end one evening we had 2 of the drug dealers thugs come & threaten to kill us & I have never been as scared in all my life.

Now, the drug dealer wasn't doing all the damage he was paying a gang of yobs who lived near us to all the damage etc for him. This gang were very much like the yobs we have seen over the last few days & after 3 long years of trouble from them we managed to get ASBO's on most of them. Luckily the ASBO's were done in such a way as to exclude these low life morans from the area which meant they & their families had to move home well away from the area. Each one of these yobs had parents who had exactly the same mentality as their kids & it was so clear to see where the kids got it all from. One family would think nothing of buying their 3 lads off road motorbikes, scooters & even cars to drive around without ever passing a test because they were under age. The reason why their kids needed to be mobile is so they could deliver drugs for their parents. I found out that this family were getting just over £1,000 per week in benefits because they knew how to beat the system. On top of all this the mother sold Avon cosmetics & the father had a nice painting & decorating business. The mother drove around in a brand new Land-Rover Freelander & the father had a brand new BMW M3.

Most of the time the local councillors didn't want to get involved, the police hardly ever took statements & on average the police would take from 8 to 20 hours to attend our 999 calls. I wrote to the local MP who would then contact the police to ask why nothing was being done & all he would get back is a letter saying I should really just stop complaining. The enviromental health officer who was investigating the noise problems decided she was just like the woman next door & sided with her all because they were both mixed race & had 3 kids each & thus that must mean in short I'm racist which I'm not.

The other week I went to out local residents forum which the council organise & because I stood up to the council officals who kept cutting me off whilst I was speaking the local police sargent threatened to have me thrown out of the meeting & then have me arrested.

Now I have given you all some background I for one can safely say that one of the main problems today that causes these kind of idiots to do what they have done is nobody listens to the law abiding people like us. The police don't listen all they are interested in these days is statistics. If too many people report things the stats go up but, if they demorolise the people who do report things they will soon stop & the stats go down which is what the officers at the top want. The councillors just want to have the title without doing much work & to collect their £14,000 per year pay. They also want to use it as a stepping stone to become an MP at some point. We had one such councillor here in Bradford a few years ago who was the council leader & made some almighty cock-ups & his name is Eric Pickles. Our local MP is more interested in increasing tuition fees & looking good in photo shoots.

The police, the politicians, the councils atc need to talk to the people young & old to get an idea of what really is going on.

In one of the London boroughs where there was trouble one of the youth workers said the government had cut their budget by 75% & they had to close the youth centre down. He said that most of the yobs causing the trouble would have been in that youth centre & the youth leaders such as him could nip things like this in the bud. This means that because of the cuts these youths are now in gangs on the streets with nobody to watch over them or over hear things they are planning.

The government are going to cut the Met Police by 2,000 officers after the Olympics. We had just 6,000 police officers in London the other night & they couldn't cope so how on earth are they going to manage in a similar situation with just 4,000?

David Cameron said today that water cannon could be deployed in 24 hours if needed. Now imagine your shop is being looted & burnt to the ground but, don't worry because at the same time tomorrow they'll have a water cannon there. Why the hell arn't they using plastic/rubber bullets, tear gas or CS gas when they have them to hand? If one of these yobs gets killed by a rubber/plastic bullet tough is what I say & would make room in a cell for one of his mates.

[Lee]

They don't want to appear heavy handed etc etc....BUT what about the inocent people on the receiving end of the heavy handed violence? It seems to me that once again this country has got its priorities wrong. This government, like the last is a bleedin' joke. It needs someone to have the courage of their convictions and sort this mess out.

Saying that, the rain will probably do that for them, but they need to ensure people stay off the streets.