Owners of Ricoh 3300n sub printers - please read

[gstk]

Got a job we are doing some can cooler sleeves (300) which is basically two sided 100mm x 100mm The design is black with a company name in white approx 80mm long by about 10mm high. I want you to imagine you have been offered that order and you are now pricing it up. Not bothered about labour and product cost but how much you would allow per unit (2 Sides remember) with paper to print.

For the sake of the excercise if you have done it or similar and already know then I think it would benefit if you kept quiet for now. I am interested to see what people would allow. I know the answer and will reveal all after we have had some estimates.

Might be worth the effort

[JMugs]

Figure includes VAT
Ink and Paper £80

Janners

[logobear]

I cannot really visualise the job you describe, .....
but if you are having to do 300 x 2 = 600 pressings at 80mm x 10mm that is a lot of cutting out and positioning and even if you get say 6 in the press per time it is still 200 presses. - each of 1 minute ? - so pressing alone will be 4 or 5 hours what with positioning etc, plus all the cutting out, AND the ink and paper - so most of a day's work.
£300 ?

[WorthDoingRight]

The design is black with a company name in white approx 80mm long by about 10mm high.

My question is not related to your estimate but how do you sublimate a white logo? Are the can coolers white hence you are sublimating the black only? Being new to sublimating I thought sublimating white was a problem. But pricing it up as a noob, I would think I could if lucky get 30 or more logos out of a single A4 sheet of 210 x 297 so 15 coolers per sheet = 20 sheets of paper = £3 (assuming 100 sheets at £15 trupix quality). Now the smart man would also assume that you could lay more than one can cooler on the press at a time (infact on a 38cm x 38cm press you could get almost 4 up and 4 across = 16 per pressing. So if you said you got 15 on the platten then thats 20 pressing per side = 40 pressings in total. So realistically you could press them all in say 2 hours if press stayed hot, they were pressed for 50 secs and it took you the same to remove and lay them back on with someone taping the paper down. If my method worked (and I am not saying it does) then the material cost is low and so is the labour. I would think you could probably do them for the £80 figure of JMugs but logic tells me that you are more likely to say to the client that you can print them 2 sided for £1 a cooler and I would think therefore that to the client the £300 of logobear would be an acceptable quotation.

[gstk]

Ok perhaps I didn't explain well. The coolers are white. You are correct it will be 600 prints in black 100mm x 100mm. I want you to work out what you would allow for ink. To give you a start it needs 300 sheets of paper

[logobear]

while ink cost is a factor, you are really selling TIME & Expertise ! Cost that , - then maybe add a bit for materials!

[Charlie_]

Ok perhaps I didn't explain well. The coolers are white. You are correct it will be 600 prints in black 100mm x 100mm. I want you to work out what you would allow for ink. To give you a start it needs 300 sheets of paper

This seems like a bit of maths test.................

[gstk]

sheeshkebab! I didnt ask about time and labour etc - thats a subjective matter anyway. What I want Ricoh owners to do is see how much they would allow in ink for that job.

When we cost a job up we see how many we can print in an hour then add the cost of the product and then the cost of printing otherwise you are just guessing.

Ignoring all other costs for now - how much would you estimate your ink to cost you for this job. The white is obviously the background so you are printing 600 times approx 90% of 100mm x 100mm square.

I am only trying to help others - no catch

[WorthDoingRight]

Ok perhaps I didn't explain well it will be 600 prints in black 100mm x 100mm. I want you to work out what you would allow for ink. To give you a start it needs 300 sheets of paper

Well already confused as you say the image is only 80mm x 10mm in your initial post so why does that need a 100mm x 100mm sheet?

You then go on in a later post to say the black covers 90% of a 100mm x 100mm sheet! Which would equate to approx 12 sq inches of black per sheet which using sawgrass print calculator means a cost per sheet of $0.25 in ink. Using the usual $=£ rip-off exchange rate = £0.25 per sheet x 300 sheets = £75 in ink.

I would however say that without an accurate coverage figure this is just my best estimate.

[gstk]

Well already confused as you say the image is only 80mm x 10mm in your initial post so why does that need a 100mm x 100mm sheet?

You then go on in a later post to say the black covers 90% of a 100mm x 100mm sheet! Which would equate to approx 12 sq inches of black per sheet which using sawgrass print calculator means a cost per sheet of $0.25 in ink. Using the usual $=£ rip-off exchange rate = £0.25 per sheet x 300 sheets = £75 in ink.

I would however say that without an accurate coverage figure this is just my best estimate.

The design is BLACK with a logo in white approx 85mm x 10mm. You cant print white (God that we could wouldnt life be great) so that is irrelevant you are printing black but not where the logo is. The background of the item as with most sub items is white.