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Re: new toys here at last

Posted: 11 May 2014, 17:39
by g1njeremy
Glad that someone else has started to experiment as well! Let me share my film cases here.

I've done 3 so far.

Case 1: 90 C for film and 190 C for press, total time of 360 seconds with 20 second delay
Case 2: 90 C for film and 190 C for press, total time of 420 seconds with 20 second delay
Case 3: 90 C for film and 160 C for press, total time of 300 seconds with 20 second delay

Here's the result of Case 1 and Case 2. With the leftmost case being a case pressed with paper and the old machine, then case 1 and rightmost is case 2.

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At 190 C and those times, it's way over done. And the film wraps and stretches and creates the curved line...No good...

Here's the result for case 3, the right hand side case. Left hand side is the paper-pressed case.

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The result is significantly better than the former cases although the color is noticeably brighter in the paper-pressed case...And I still have two issues:

Grainy picture and rough borders (this is not the camera's graininess). Left picture is case 3 and the right picture is paper-pressed case:
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In the old machine, it looks like the symptom of the paper shifting during press.

The other issue is the weak transfer on the side. You can probably tell which case is which judging from the corner and the color. The darker one is the paper-pressed case. And if you can zoom on the picture, it shows how the film-pressed is grainier and the border with the black line is fuzzier.

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I haven't tried 120 C as Justin suggested since I though regular sublimation ink only transfers at 190 C or above... :confused:

I will test my regular ink at 120 C and if that's unsuccessful, I will try the low temp sub ink.

Re: new toys here at last

Posted: 13 May 2014, 10:06
by magda
Justin;87761 wrote:Interesting that you're using 160c, I only do mine at 120c. How long did these cook for? Are you using vacuum delay? What film?
Do you need to use a special low temp ink at 120c or will standard sublimation inks work?

Re: new toys here at last

Posted: 13 May 2014, 10:14
by magda
g1njeremy;87829 wrote:I haven't tried 120 C as Justin suggested since I though regular sublimation ink only transfers at 190 C or above... :confused:

I will test my regular ink at 120 C and if that's unsuccessful, I will try the low temp sub ink.
Did you try the regular ink at 120c, if so how did it go?

What brand is the low temp sub ink you were thinking of trying?

Re: new toys here at last

Posted: 13 May 2014, 11:49
by bigj2552
magda;87930 wrote:Did you try the regular ink at 120c, if so how did it go?

What brand is the low temp sub ink you were thinking of trying?


you do not need any low temp inks here.....we are using normal sublinova
sub inks @ 120c no problem - save yer money for other things

Re: new toys here at last

Posted: 13 May 2014, 12:32
by magda
Oh, good thanks for the info :) Regarding fumes/smell do you notice less of this when decreasing temp? Considering getting a vacuum press but bit concerned about the melting plastic fumes I assume is generated by cases and film.. Guess an extractor fan of some sort will be needed.

Re: new toys here at last

Posted: 13 May 2014, 12:36
by magda
Sorry, just noticed you had already said you were getting less fumes with lower temp :)

Re: new toys here at last

Posted: 13 May 2014, 12:52
by bigj2552
magda;87940 wrote:Sorry, just noticed you had already said you were getting less fumes with lower temp :)
were were cooking at 190c and using the paper.....good god.....blue haze everywhere and smoke alarms going crazy....not to mention my chest n throat was sore with it....
tried Justins 120c lot less fumes with paper....almost nothing with film ;-)

edit...we always have big fan on when we print anything sublimated, even on the standard flat press's and mug press's....to get the fumes away from us asap - but that just us....

Re: new toys here at last

Posted: 13 May 2014, 22:56
by bigj2552
well enough for us guys....

these aint going to be practical....sat and spoke to my other half....and we both aggreed, it no good one case at a time....esp if it gets busy :rolleyes:

we are putting both these up for sale and going for the big red one or larger - price dependant


look out for these in the buy it now section on here....


jonathan

Re: new toys here at last

Posted: 13 May 2014, 23:32
by Justin
When did you ever think these machines would do more than one case at a time??? Lots more playing to be done with these, far more potential.

Re: new toys here at last

Posted: 14 May 2014, 00:08
by socialgiraffe
What times and temps were you guys using for film?

Tried a sheet here and it was utter tosh!