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Paul;79088 wrote:ok. here it is.
yellow gamut is of your profile.
The white one is a custom made icc for your reference. I am sorry but i cant remember of what printer this one was
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thanks for that paul! now if only i knew what it meant everything was working so well, until I realized it wasnt!!

basically all inside the yellow circle can be reproduced by printer. everything outside yellow is out of gamut

Everything inside the yellow line are the colours that you should be able to print, everything else is out of gamut.
The white line shows the colours achieved from Paul making a custom ICC for someone's printer - either for someone who had ink from a manufacturer who didn't provide one for the model printer the end user wanted to use, or they wanted a better one made to get the best from their set up.

so would i be right in thinking that to print a colour thats outside the lines, the printer should do a mix of various colours that are within the lines? all very confusing, but very interesting at the same time!

artanium ink is a great ink with very good colour gamut. just not sure why icc shows it is so small

I had a guy contacted me about custom made icc. it was d120 with artanium ink. he wasn't to happy with his gamut and asked me for help. here is his gamut.
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spongerobinson;79092 wrote:so would i be right in thinking that to print a colour thats outside the lines, the printer should do a mix of various colours that are within the lines? all very confusing, but very interesting at the same time!

Nope, everything inside the yellow line is what your printer can mix your inks to achieve, everything outside of the yellow line is what your printer can't print no matter how hard it tries.

pisquee;79094 wrote:Nope, everything inside the yellow line is what your printer can mix your inks to achieve, everything outside of the yellow line is what your printer can't print no matter how hard it tries.

now i'm confused! i'm usually quite good with technical things; i can build websites with my eyes shut, but this has me stumped! :rolleyes:

so if the printer can't print anything outside the lines, how does it print deep blues and deep reds, which are clearly outside the spectrum on the diagram? even the profile for the d120 with artanium doesn't seem to extend to these colours?

I'm also interested in this subject - I was watching youtube video's until the wee small hours.

To hazard a guess maybe it adds a bit of Black to get the deep colours?

I suspect that in the sub printing arena, just as in the photographic world where calibration and profiling is also pretty well essential if you want predictable results, there are loads of people who don't really understand how profiling works or what their printers gamut is etc

Hows this for a radical idea - I am sure that this would be a sure fire winner at the P&P show. How about if someone could run a couple of say 20 - 30 minute basic seminars aimed at newbies (and quite probably some of the old lags who don't know much about the subject but don't like to ask) extolling the virtues and simplicity of screen calibration.

I know there are lots of U Tube films on the subject but to be honest a lot of them are badly made, badly explained, badly presented and made by people who like to massage their egos by producing what they think are technical lectures on their pet subject. Undoubtedly there are some cracking U Tube movies but its the dross you have to wade through to find them. The other problem with U Tube , as with so much stuff on the web - some of it is total bollocks, unfortunately its plausible total bollocks that the complete beginner wouldn't necessarily be able to see for what it is.

Given that P&P is at the NEC I am sure I can get someone from Calumet in Brum - big pro photo dealer to come out, bring some product and demo it in exchange for the opportunity to sell some product. All it would need is for someone to sponsor the seminar space - I guess that P&P would want a fee for providing a seminar space. I doubt Calumet would sponsor it as the cost or the space to them as an 'outsider' would probably be astronomic and the margin on potential sales would be relatively low. A basic screen calibration set up is around £67 plus VAT - google Color Munki Smile - or go to

http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/product/x ... rm:xrit360

I am not endorsing Calumet or the Color Munki - just pointing out that calibration doesn't have to cost a fortune and can be pretty simple to use.

I think that there is quite an overlap between the sub printing and photography worlds and we should exploit that to our advantage.

Maybe someone on the suppliers list would be up for doing the presentation - although that might mean that the punters can't order a system there and then.

Talk to me people, what do you think?

The more I think about this the more inspired the idea seems ;o)

So anyone reading who knows if this could be achievable?? I'd be glad to do a bit of hustling to move it forward.


Arthur

arthur.daley;79115 wrote:I suspect that in the sub printing arena, just as in the photographic world where calibration and profiling is also pretty well essential if you want predictable results, there are loads of people who don't really understand how profiling works or what their printers gamut is etc

Hows this for a radical idea - I am sure that this would be a sure fire winner at the P&P show. How about if someone could run a couple of say 20 - 30 minute basic seminars aimed at newbies (and quite probably some of the old lags who don't know much about the subject but don't like to ask) extolling the virtues and simplicity of screen calibration.

I know there are lots of U Tube films on the subject but to be honest a lot of them are badly made, badly explained, badly presented and made by people who like to massage their egos by producing what they think are technical lectures on their pet subject. Undoubtedly there are some cracking U Tube movies but its the dross you have to wade through to find them. The other problem with U Tube , as with so much stuff on the web - some of it is total bollocks, unfortunately its plausible total bollocks that the complete beginner wouldn't necessarily be able to see for what it is.

Given that P&P is at the NEC I am sure I can get someone from Calumet in Brum - big pro photo dealer to come out, bring some product and demo it in exchange for the opportunity to sell some product. All it would need is for someone to sponsor the seminar space - I guess that P&P would want a fee for providing a seminar space. I doubt Calumet would sponsor it as the cost or the space to them as an 'outsider' would probably be astronomic and the margin on potential sales would be relatively low. A basic screen calibration set up is around £67 plus VAT - google Color Munki Smile - or go to

http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/product/x ... rm:xrit360

I am not endorsing Calumet or the Color Munki - just pointing out that calibration doesn't have to cost a fortune and can be pretty simple to use.

I think that there is quite an overlap between the sub printing and photography worlds and we should exploit that to our advantage.

Maybe someone on the suppliers list would be up for doing the presentation - although that might mean that the punters can't order a system there and then.

Talk to me people, what do you think?

The more I think about this the more inspired the idea seems ;o)

So anyone reading who knows if this could be achievable?? I'd be glad to do a bit of hustling to move it forward.


Arthur

We have a speaking-slot at P & P next year, and the above might tie in nicely as a complimentary seminar - would you perhaps contact our Marketing Manager, Simon Wilcox, on the subject?
thanks
Barbara