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As someone who criticised the pan test, my main concern was that people may read it and not be immediately aware of the shortcomings. That was what I was trying to point out, purely as an interested observer with no direct interest. I had no intent of JSR removing the thread, as along with others I agree that discussions like this are a valuable part of this community, from which I have learnt loads.
Neil.

I asked for the thread to be deleted because I felt that, if the discussion continued the way it was heading, the message of the test results (that being that the three dishwasher safe mugs were pretty resilient) would be lost under the discussion of the test not being a suitable test of mug resilience, of not being scientifically accurate, and of which of the three surviving mugs was actually the better one.

I originally performed the test to satisfy for myself which mugs I would switch to since my previous supplier of Orca mugs stopped selling mugs via their website. I have my answer now, and I know which mugs will be my primary and secondary mugs going forward. I just thought that others might be interested in the test that I performed, given that we currently have no documented evidence of any dishwasher safe claims for any mug that's said to be dishwasher safe. In my naiveté, I thought that something was better than nothing.

I did not wish to cause aggravation or trouble for either the forum or for Justin, or for anyone else, and I feared that this would happen if the thread continued the way it was going. I accept that this was my own fault for not ensuring that the test was sufficiently suitable, scientifically accurate, or photographically conclusive, and I certainly don't hold any animosity towards anyone who disagreed with me.

Anyway, the thread is gone now. I'm sure that there will one day be an independently-verified scientifically-accurate test performed on all currently available dishwasher safe mugs, and that will make it easier for us all to make an educated decision on which mugs to use.

Thank-you to everyone who expressed an interest in the test, and to those who found it useful.

You should have kept it up JSR. Not sure how the post developed but didn't see anything in it that could cause a bad reaction. Perfectly good test imo carried out by an individual to satisfy his own needs. Nothing 100% conclusive or claimed to be so but a good guide. Many people point to this style of test as a quick method worldwide and have carried out ther own versions. I personally don't think 3 months in a dishawasher to be any better as mugs need to last a lot longer than that to be classed as dishwasher proof.

Guess there is no point comparing printers or inks etc now either as there is no independent governing body to confirm whether it is a viable method. Just as well withdraw all advice incase it comes back to bite you.

JSR i am gutted that you took the post down, perhaps a way round it is to send it out via email to people that are interested in it for what it is ( a good detailed bit of work by someone who is looking to help others) i certainly found it interesting just wished i had detailed it all before it went

bms;34945 wrote:RN (also called duraglaze by one company)

Did anyone else just receive the email from Listawood stating that their Duraglaze mugs are "patent protected"? Does that mean that no one else can sell RN-coated mugs now?

They also make the bold claim that Duraglaze is "the one and only trule 100% dishwasher proof PhotoMug", and now claim that it's been tested for over 2000 washes. They also state that Duraglaze has been "pioneered by us over 12 years ago".

Does this mean that Duraglaze is no longer RN-coated? I'm confused.

It seems like they don't want people to buy RN, Orca, Rhino, or any other dishwasher proof mugs.

I reckon their marketing department would call it artistic licence or something like that. I call it lies and BS!

Well what do you expect form a company based in Fake n ham lol

Did anyone else just receive the email from Listawood stating that their Duraglaze mugs are "patent protected"? Does that mean that no one else can sell RN-coated mugs now?

Jonathan, it must be only the coating they have got the patent for.

They also make the bold claim that Duraglaze is "the one and only trule 100% dishwasher proof PhotoMug", and now claim that it's been tested for over 2000 washes.

That's interesting because it says on their website that it's over 1,000 washes.

I reckon their marketing department would call it artistic licence or something like that. I call it lies and BS!

Oh Andrew how could you disbelieve such a bold statement or is it a case of I see it but, I can also smell something too.

Ian M;53985 wrote:Jonathan, it must be only the coating they have got the patent for.

Well, if Duraglaze is RN and the patent is for the coating/coating-process, then it implies that Listawood holds the patent for RN-coated mugs. Does that mean that BMS, and others, pay a license fee to Listawood in order to sell RN-coated mugs like they have an agreement with Sawgrass to sell patent-protected inks?

If Duraglaze is not the same as RN, then it's a different matter but, whenever Duraglaze has been mentioned in the past, it's always been said to be RN by another name.

JSR;53988 wrote:Well, if Duraglaze is RN and the patent is for the coating/coating-process, then it implies that Listawood holds the patent for RN-coated mugs. Does that mean that BMS, and others, pay a license fee to Listawood in order to sell RN-coated mugs like they have an agreement with Sawgrass to sell patent-protected inks?

If Duraglaze is not the same as RN, then it's a different matter but, whenever Duraglaze has been mentioned in the past, it's always been said to be RN by another name.

I'm hoping Becki from Listawood will be able to shine more light on this for us Jonathan.