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bms;34881 wrote:Mug isn't made in China, coating is made in USA. No issues with white spots in last 150,000+ mugs sold

Sorry I'm a little bit confused about the naming, the mug is called "European" so I assumed it is "made in Europe". I have customers who consider it important that their products are made in Europe.
So if you want to put a label on it, what would that be?

Panda, if the mug is produced in Europe then i cant see why it would be confusing for it to be called a european mug ??

the glazing being made in the US does not alter the fact that the mug is european.

all of the "bone china" still made in the UK is actually made with foreign bone, as we no longer process bone since the BSE outbreak, and most of the glazes are also made abroad, yet the pottery still produced here is called "british made bone china"

If the mug is produced in Europe I'm absolutely ok with that, but that I don't know for sure. Martin just said it is not made in China. That doesn't mean it's produced in Europe. Maybe it is, but that is not what he was saying

Panda;34902 wrote:If the mug is produced in Europe I'm absolutely ok with that, but that I don't know for sure. Martin just said it is not made in China. That doesn't mean it's produced in Europe. Maybe it is, but that is not what he was saying

Even if a supplier tells you that their mugs are made in Europe, you only have their word for that. You don't have proof.

This was the question posed in this thread in the first place. Certain claims by certain suppliers concerning the unsuitability of Orca-coated mugs for dishwashers were without proof. Once proof was obtained, it became clear that those "handwash only" claims were made in order to promote the more expensive alternative-coated mugs.

The same principle applies to your situation with European products. If your customers demand European products, you need proof, not just word of mouth.

mrs maggot;34886 wrote:are you asking Paul to do this test ?? he is only a member the same as you not a manufacturer

No I wasn't, merely suggesting a quick "option" rather than a long drawn out process running over months. Saves time and money. I was just doing what this forum is designed for..... sharing information and tips that are picked up along the way. People then can decide if it suits them or not.

Jonathan - it's a test I have seen people mention on the T-Shirtforums. Haven't done it myself as I'm upto speed on my current mug supplies on where the coating stands. From what I read it seemed to expose the weaker coatings. They had several mugs that had photos shown after the test which showed some had faded badly and others still looked good. I believe the theory was based on that a dishwasher gets to a temp below what the test is at and only stays there for a couple of minutes or less. With the test be a bit hotter and for a prolonged period in concentrated dishwasher solution then it seemed feasible to me that it provides a good benchmark.

If you remember the test from Listawood on RN and Orca then that was submerged in water with detergent of some sort for a given time. I suppose this one works a bit quicker due to the extra heat. Might not be quite as accurate due to not keeping the same temp as a dishwasher but seems a quick fix.

If I see the thread on tsf I'll post a link.

Andrew;34911 wrote:No I wasn't, merely suggesting a quick "option" rather than a long drawn out process running over months. Saves time and money. I was just doing what this forum is designed for..... sharing information and tips that are picked up along the way. People then can decide if it suits them or not.

Jonathan - it's a test I have seen people mention on the T-Shirtforums. Haven't done it myself as I'm upto speed on my current mug supplies on where the coating stands. From what I read it seemed to expose the weaker coatings. They had several mugs that had photos shown after the test which showed some had faded badly and others still looked good. I believe the theory was based on that a dishwasher gets to a temp below what the test is at and only stays there for a couple of minutes or less. With the test be a bit hotter and for a prolonged period in concentrated dishwasher solution then it seemed feasible to me that it provides a good benchmark.

If you remember the test from Listawood on RN and Orca then that was submerged in water with detergent of some sort for a given time. I suppose this one works a bit quicker due to the extra heat. Might not be quite as accurate due to not keeping the same temp as a dishwasher but seems a quick fix.

If I see the thread on tsf I'll post a link.

Thanks, I'm interested in what they did. I don't have a dishwasher but I used to have three willing helpers who did - but one's moved away to the Isle of Wight, another's dishwasher has broken, and the third uses her dishwasher only twice a week. Even in a month, that's only going to be 8 washes so if there's a known procedure that others use, I'm interested in it.

Here you go - http://www.cupsandstuff.com/quality.asp This is a subli users website who posts on TSF and Dyesub.org. Scroll down and see the link. I've seen others do this after being pointed in the right direction.

Blimey!! Andrew whats your phone number?? need it just in case my missus will be peed off for her pot tonight so she can ring you and tell you what she thing about giving her husband stupid ideas like that

LOL
I am going to try this test and post some pictures. but i need some mugs first lol as i have coralgraph and expres left.

Andrew;34913 wrote:Here you go - http://www.cupsandstuff.com/quality.asp This is a subli users website who posts on TSF and Dyesub.org. Scroll down and see the link. I've seen others do this after being pointed in the right direction.

Thanks, Andrew, that's very useful. I'll find a deep saucepan and get one of mine tested like that..!

I only worry about the smell... do you think cooking the dishwasher tablet for an hour can produce some odour??