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Re: Music Lyrics or quotes

Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 10:13
by Smart Mart
People can still reproduce his graffiti work as he/they deny doing it otherwise he will get prosecuted, or owners rip out walls & sell the artwork.It's copyright free,you just can't do his work with the name banksy on.

Re: Music Lyrics or quotes

Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 11:42
by GoonerGary
How do people manage to sell it on eBay without mentioning his name? It's not copyright free! He doesn't need to represent himself in any legal case if he wanted to go after infringements.

Re: Music Lyrics or quotes

Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 11:58
by Smart Mart
In the style of Banksy or inspired by banksy,i meant not putting his name on the printed image-not mentioning his name, like Voldermort. I can do artwork & put it on ebay as in the style of banksy nothing wrong with that. He denies all his early work - which it is obviously is his, so it's copyright free.What's representing himself in a legal case got to do with it?

Re: Music Lyrics or quotes

Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 14:28
by GoonerGary
You are saying that because he is anonymous he is not claiming ownership or copyright, he will avoid chasing someone legally for the same reason. He doesn't need to. He owns his trademark and can be defended by any legal representative so will still remain anonymous. So if you try to sell some graffiti art "inspired by banksy" you are infringing a registered trademark and can get sued.

Re: Music Lyrics or quotes

Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 14:50
by Smart Mart
Where did i say because he's annon he'll avoid chasing someone? He's trademarked his name & if you sell stuff with his name on it or anyone else then you take that risk. You are wrong & can put inspired by or in the style of no problem, the same reason why you can put iphone,samsung cases for sale, as long as you say they fit the iphone & do not have their logo on,your allowed to put apple or any make of phone in the title aren't you? or say for example car mats,are you not allowed to say they fit bmw,audi etc? yes you are,as long as you aren't saying they are geuniune bmw,mini etc or no logo.

Re: Music Lyrics or quotes

Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 22:03
by GoonerGary
Any manufacturer can clamp down on third party manufacturers using their trademark. You also have to carefully chose your words, so you cannot use "recommended for BMW xx car" For example, if you are an independent garage repairing VWs, you cannot use their name or logos on any signage. A product title is no different from a shop sign. Where have you seen that "inspired by" is ok? Anytime I've seen it, it's a stolen cartoon of Heisenberg on a mug trying to sell "inspired by" Breaking Bad ie: counterfeit.

You said, "People can still reproduce his graffiti work as he/they deny doing it otherwise he will get prosecuted, or owners rip out walls & sell the artwork.It's copyright free,you just can't do his work with the name banksy on."

Yes you can sell the artwork attached to a brick wall because it's on your legal property, but you can't photograph that artwork and resell it as posters. The moment he painted it, it's Banksy's copyright forever. Just like every word I've written above; sell it on a mug and you've infringed my copyright.

Re: Music Lyrics or quotes

Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 08:21
by Quinsfan
GoonerGary;117305 wrote:Any manufacturer can clamp down on third party manufacturers using their trademark. You also have to carefully chose your words, so you cannot use "recommended for BMW xx car" For example, if you are an independent garage repairing VWs, you cannot use their name or logos on any signage. A product title is no different from a shop sign. Where have you seen that "inspired by" is ok? Anytime I've seen it, it's a stolen cartoon of Heisenberg on a mug trying to sell "inspired by" Breaking Bad ie: counterfeit.

You said, "People can still reproduce his graffiti work as he/they deny doing it otherwise he will get prosecuted, or owners rip out walls & sell the artwork.It's copyright free,you just can't do his work with the name banksy on."

Yes you can sell the artwork attached to a brick wall because it's on your legal property, but you can't photograph that artwork and resell it as posters. The moment he painted it, it's Banksy's copyright forever. Just like every word I've written above; sell it on a mug and you've infringed my copyright.
What if I take part of what you have written down and put it on a mug. Such as
" I've written above"
I am sure those 3 words have been written down in that combination many times before by many people. How can you prove they are yours?

I know this is not quite lyrics and I am just being devils advocate as I think if there is any question regarding copyright and trademarks I stay away from it.


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Re: Music Lyrics or quotes

Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 08:28
by socialgiraffe
From my limited understanding its the connection as well as the words/lyrics

For example if I sell an egg cup in my home town in plain packaging with the words "I am the egg man" on it then I probably would not have to pay any fees. However Abbey Road Studios (where the Beatles recorded the song) who have that egg cup packaged in Beatles branded packaging and with the Abbey Road logo on the bottom do have to pay fees.

Its not just words, it is also the way you are selling them

FOR SALE: EGG CUP WITH WORDS ON IT

is very different to

FOR SALE: EGG CUP WITH BEATLES LYRICS ON IT

Re: Music Lyrics or quotes

Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 08:38
by Quinsfan
socialgiraffe;117315 wrote: FOR SALE: EGG CUP WITH WORDS ON IT

But list list on eBay in the Beatles section just as you have typed it are you then not using the words.



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Re: Music Lyrics or quotes

Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 08:40
by socialgiraffe
But, by effectively placing it in a Beatles shop (or with Ebay a section) you are referencing them.